I am finding the seats on the newer through-carriage trains on my daily commute to and from Kingston to Waterloo too uncomfortable and can feel the effects even now one day later. Can anything be done? I can't always carry a cushion - luckily I had a towel on me the other night and sat on that but several times a week I have to carry other bulky stuff so can't come prepared.
Hi, the trains in question, class 707s will be leaving the fleet in the next couple of years in favour of new class 701s which will also be walkthrough, so hopefully that will be the end of really hard, ironing board seats.
They have had the same problem on the new Thameslink trains (which are basically the same as the 707s), and the issue has, thankfully been subject to much media, and political attention (see , m.youtube.com/watch however the accountability seems to just get passed from one party to another and nothing has been done (they all seem to say they are hard due to fire regulations, however this is nonsense, it's just cost really)
I really do hope SWR don't order the same 'ironing board' seats in the new class 701s though...
SWR have said that they won't be consulting passengers on the interior layout and seat designs of the Class 701s as these trains were ordered by them before they were awarded the franchise. A poor excuse. Greater Anglia did so I don't see why they can't. We need to know how wide the seats are going to be, whether there will be any solo seats and what the legroom will be. Releasing this info in 2 years time will be too late. We have also been kept in the dark about the refurbishment of the 442s. Presumably 'more seats' means ' less room' ?
Oh dear - now that really is a poor show by SWR probably just so they could order the trains on the cheap; the fact that the public consultation with greater Anglia resulted in the seats being changed shows that this is a major issue with passengers, and of course, that other, more comfortable seats are available that are still within budget and fire regulations.
I have heard that 442s will have the same seats as they have had previously, whilst 2+2 seating will be fitted in first, although I may be wrong. The seating capacity after the refurbishment of them is stated as 32 First and 336 standard, so with reduction of first and conversion of the guards van, I think it can be done with the existing layout, with hopefully little compromise in the way of space of legroom
Agree, they are awful, and along with the lighting and the robotic voice making announcements makes the whole business of travelling on them pretty grim.